- Saudi king chides UK on terrorism: although he gets a great deal of flack for his remarks, they are correct and should be taken seriously. The terrorist threat is too great to continue to play games with reality as the UK likes to do.
- Minister praises UK-Saudi links: but he met with much criticism. The supreme irony of his comments is that the "shared values" include torture and human rights abuses in the extreme which the human rights organisation will not address in the UK. Hey, look at our side. Ain't we great?
- Saudi visit to seal ties with UK: The BBC's Frank Gardiner outlines his views of the visit by the king of Saudi Arabia.
1. The BBC among others jumped on the Saudi king for this comments made in an interview with the BBC's John Simpson before his visit to the UK. I disagree with the negative criticism of King Abdullah's remarks and believe that they should be taken seriously. I explain why in the copy of an Email I sent to BBC News24 and others provided below. The Saudi king is on the right track with his criticism about terrorism failures in the UK which I have been experiencing for many years since before 9/11. The problem is that the UK government refuses to admit that it blew it with respect to tracking those whom it picked up who later turned out to be the terrorists of 7/7 London bombing.
Maybe the King's visit will open up the UK's terror torture programme carried out indefinitely against the innocent indefinitely until something can be fabricated. Against this, the Saudis have a much better system of justice however flawed it might be as noted in Number 2 below.
BBC News Monday, 29 October 2007, 11:21 GMT
Saudi king chides UK on terrorism
 |  King Abdullah says Britain is not doing enough to fight terrorism  |
Saudi king interview Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has accused Britain of not doing enough to fight international terrorism, which he says could take 20 or 30 years to beat.
He was speaking in a BBC interview ahead of a state visit to the UK - the first by a Saudi monarch for 20 years.
He also said Britain failed to act on information passed by the Saudis which might have averted terrorist attacks.
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says Whitehall officials have strenuously denied this.
King Abdullah is expected to arrive in the UK on Monday afternoon; his visit begins formally on Tuesday.
In the BBC interview he said the fight against terrorism needed much more effort by countries such as Britain and that al-Qaeda continued to be a big problem for his country.
BBC world affairs correspondent John Simpson says King Abdullah is annoyed that the rest of the world has largely failed to act on his proposal for a UN clearing house for information about terrorism.
Saudi king chides UK on terrorism
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: "Saudi king chides UK on terrorism" The UK should pay attention to what he is saying. He's on the right track.
Date: Monday 29 October 2007 13:24
From: Gary D Chance
To: news24@bbc.co.uk, peter@tatchell.freeserve.co.uk, newswatch@bbc.co.uk, cablev@parliament.uk, camerond@parliament.uk, ukemb@mofa.gov.sa
BBC News24
BBC Newswatch
Peter Tatchell
The Rt Hon Vincent Cable, Acting Leader, Liberal Democrat Party
The Rt Hon David Cameron, Leader. Conservative Party
Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in the UK
Mesdames et Messrs
Re "Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has accused Britain of not doing enough to fight international terrorism, which he says could take 20 or 30 years to beat."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7066867.stm
There is an absence of self critical analysis resulting in serious problems developing and being sustained in the UK. The UK has done even worse than failing to detect and deter terrorism.
It has pursued me, someone who is completely innocent, with totally invasive surveillance technology 24/7 for nine years and two months for the purpose of destroying human activity and life with false imprisonment, terror torture, surreptitious medication, medical experimentation and surveillance technology R&D whose usage is ultimately lethal.
This has impacted everyone negatively involving scores if not hundreds of people from the community and various departments of government. It has destabilised the very foundation of the democratic rule of law and the democratic institutions, standards and values which make this country what it is supposed to be as a free state.
The abuse of the surveillance technology for any period of time undermines the ideal essence of this country. To do so indefinitely now in its tenth year against me 24/7 means that in reality this is a secret police state tyranny which is supported by a large base of people and goes to the top of this government.
The results have been a double whammy:
1) not only have terrorists not be tracked due to scarce resources diverted elsewhere against innocent targets like me on an indefinite basis, but
2) the abuse of the system is terrorism itself which only serves to create more terrorists in those at the very extreme disposed to such behaviour.
Peter Tatchell is "outraged" that the Saudi king should make such statements because of the Saudi's own deficiencies in human rights abuse, torture, etc.
He has to recognise what is happening in this country by this government with the abuse of surveillance technology carried out against me and others who report similar experiences. All the reasons he cites for his outrage are the same for this country and apply in the same way.
Listen to the Saudi king. He's got something to say. Maybe the UK will learn something.
Why don't you have the courage to read my comments on the air?
Are you only selecting those with whom you agree while ignoring the extreme abuses being carried out in this country by the UK/US governments as a matter of policy on an indefinite basis?
Peter Tatchell might be interested in the fact that Lt Harry Bird, that former US Marine and US government agent/contractor, and others use their homophobia to attack me as a method of abuse trying to incite others to hatred and violence by such false representations about me.
Peter Tatchell might try to inform himself about official policies of this UK government which participates in such homophobic attacks to destroy the target of surveillance technology which is being used as a lethal weapon. Such homophobic attacks are being used as part of 24/7 torture carried out on an indefinitely basis.
I respect and support what Peter Thatchell has done in the past, but it is obvious he is quite ill informed about what actually is being carried out by this government in the UK for many years including while I write this Email.
Listen to what the Saudi king has to say. You all might learn something, but my experiences with the British closed mind and delusions of self righteousness lead me to expect very little in objectivity and realisation of the truth.
Of course, this is why terrorists succeed in this country.
Sincerely yours
Gary D Chance
2. Sandy Mitchell's experience in Saudi Arabia is briefly described below. He complains of the "systematic torture" which was part of the investigation. That is exactly what has been happening in North Kensington to me for many years on an indefinite basis. After I heard him speak about his terrible experience at the hands of the Saudis on BBC News24, I sent an Email a copy of which is provided below to note that it is actually worse in the UK providing the points which make it worse.
Kim Howells, Foreign Office Minister, tries to defend the state visit by the Saudi king. With a great deal of irony which he does not intend he notes that the UK and Saudi Arabia could unite around "shared values." This is most certainly possible considering that both are terror states of the worst kind. The usual civil rights groups and even Vincent Cable, Lib Dems Acting Leader, take the usual stand of protest, yet these people have done nothing about worse abuses which are carried out in the UK despite my correspondence to them about precisely what is occurring.
David Cameron wants the government to be candidly clear about points of disagreement. Well, one thing is certain. The extreme abuse of civil and human rights by the UK and Saudi Arabia will not be a point of disagreement as most likely he thinks it will be.
BBC NewsMonday, 29 October 2007, 21:07 GMT
Minister praises UK-Saudi links
 Kim Howells said both countries understood each others' traditions |
Foreign Office minister Kim Howells has called for Britain and Saudi Arabia to work more closely together, despite their differences.
Mr Howells told a conference ahead of a state visit by Saudi leader King Abdullah that the two states could unite around their "shared values".
Earlier, King Abdullah accused Britain of not doing enough in the fight against international terrorism.
The king's arrival marks the first visit by a Saudi monarch in 20 years.
'Working together'
Human rights campaigners have criticised the state visit and have said Britain should do more to highlight human rights breaches under his regime.
. . .
He said: "Some commentators will focus on our differences and ask how we can talk of shared values."
. . .
Sandy Mitchell was working in Saudi Arabia when he was arrested, tried and found guilty of spying and terrorism charges, before being sentenced to death. He was imprisoned for 32 months before a diplomatic deal secured his release.
"It's absolutely disgusting, sheer hypocrisy," he told BBC News 24. "Its human rights record is atrocious, torture is a systematic tool of investigation."
. . .
Acting Liberal Democrat leader Vince Cable said he was boycotting the visit, citing the corruption scandal over Al Yamamah arms deal, and the Saudis' human rights record.
"I think it's quite wrong that as a country we should give the leader of Saudi Arabia this honour," he said.
Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK, urged Prime Minister Gordon Brown to tell the Saudis that their human rights record was "totally unacceptable".
. . .
Tory leader David Cameron said: "The government is fully engaging with the Saudi government while they are here for their state visit, as I will be."
But he added that Britain should always make it "candidly clear" when it disagreed with the regime.
. . .
The Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, has pulled out of a scheduled meeting with the Saudi delegation to spend time with his wife and their newly-adopted second son.
Minister praises UK-Saudi links
---------- Forwarded Message ----------Subject: While I have great sympathy for your interviewee imprisoned, tortured and tried by the Saudis, it is worse in this country which you refuse to recognise.
Date: Monday 29 October 2007 16:12
From: Gary D Chance
To: news24@bbc.co.uk, camerond@parliament.uk, cablev@parliament.uk
BBC News24
The Rt Hon Vincent Cable, Acting Leader, Liberable Democrat Party
The Rt Hon David Cameron, Leader, Conservative Party
Mesdames et Messrs
I have never had the benefit of any trial or legal proceedings which involves me in any way except civil proceedings which I initiated in the High Court in March 2001 that were destroyed by those using the surveillance technology.
I have suffered personal injuries including the destruction of my eyes whose lenses were burned out by the surveillance technology early on. That's why I went into the High Court to get protection from this abuse.
While the Saudis pretend to have a trial with charges, this has never been done for me at anytime.
I have been subjected to imprisonment, torture interrogation 24/7 for many years on a declared "indefinite" basis. Threats have been made to kill me by Lt Harry Bird if he is not allowed to continue with the process of killing me. He has declared that "You will die first" before he stops.
Just now Lt Harry Bird stated that this was "Unofficial" and that "We talked about it" to whomever he was speaking.
The UK is the worst abuser of rights in the world. This country is the worst hypocrite imaginable. What other country in this world has subjected anyone to nine years and two months of nonstop 24/7 torture abuse from surveillance technology including all the things I describe?
This former tortured prisoner in Saudi Arabia might think they are terrible, but he was known to be incarcerated. It was not denied. Efforts were being made to free him. He was granted what amounted to a trial even if the confession was tortured out of him.
All that is happening to me is being denied. I am being attacked as mentally ill to discredit what I report continuously. Scores if not hundreds of people know exactly what is happening. You refuse to report what I have to say.
Can any other country in this world be worse?
Sincerely yours
Gary D Chance
3. The BBC's Frank Gardiner outlines his views of the visit by the king of Saudi Arabia.
BBC News Sunday, 28 October 2007, 23:45 GMT
Saudi visit to seal ties with UK
| By Frank Gardner Security correspondent, BBC News |
Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah arrived in the UK on Monday for the first state visit by a Saudi monarch for 20 years.
He will be the guest of Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace and is due to meet British political leaders on Wednesday, culminating in a glittering state banquet.
The visit is the product of years of patient diplomacy and is an indication of how Saudi Arabia has become one of the UK's closest allies in the Middle East.
On Monday five planes touched down in the UK, bearing the octogenarian King Abdullah and an entourage of Saudi ministers, businessmen and journalists.
Saudi Arabia and the UK clearly matter to each other, with the relationship going well beyond trade, although last year British commercial exports to Riyadh exceeded £3.5bn.